Wrestling Recap: Hogan & Rodman vs. Luger & Giant (Bash at the Beach ’97)

The Date: 13 July 1997
The Venue: Ocean Center; Daytona Beach, Florida
The Commentary: “The American Dream” Dusty Rhodes, Mike Tenay, Bobby “The Brain” Heenan, and Tony Schiavone
The Referee: Randy Anderson
The Stakes: Tag team match between heated rivals

The Build-Up:
On 4 September 1995, World Championship Wrestling (WCW) changed the wrestling industry with the debut of WCW Monday Nitro, which featured the unexpected WCW debut of Lex Luger and kicked off the “Monday Night Wars” by airing at the same time as the World Wrestling Federation’s (WWF) Raw is War. For eighty-four weeks, WCW dominated this ratings war thanks to signing wrestling’s biggest names to lucrative contracts, including Scott Hall and Kevin Nash, who regularly gatecrashed WCW programming to declare war on the organisation. At Bash at the Beach 1996, these “Outsiders” were joined by the legendary Hulk Hogan in a turn that legitimately shocked the wrestling world and reinvigorated Hogan’s career. Rechristened “Hollywood” Hogan, the former hero led the New World Order (nWo) as the WCW World Heavyweight Champion, leading to an alliance of WCW faithful to stand against the group. With Sting on a hiatus in preparation for dethroning Hogan, former nWo member the Giant and the aforementioned Lex Luger led the charge against the nWo, only for Hogan to bring in controversial basketball star “The Worm” Dennis Rodman for this tag team match. Rodman, who had long been a fan of professional wrestling, jumped at the chance to rub shoulders with Hogan and exacerbated the issues between him and Luger the previous month at Uncensored by costing Luger a triangle tag team match and joining Hogan in attacking and humiliating his opponent.

The Match:
This unlikely tag team contest occurred about one year after the nWo first dramatically formed and pretty much solidified that the group were the coolest baddies around since they were rubbing shoulders with the likes of Dennis Rodman. Amazingly, WCW Champion “Hollywood” Hulk Hogan and Rodman were accompanied to the ring by the “Macho Man” Randy Savage, a far more suitable pick for Hogan’s partner, though (as related by the commentary team) the purpose seemed to be to use Rodman to humble Hogan’s opponents and put WCW on the map using his celebrity status. Hogan and Luger started the match, with Luger getting the better of his opponent with some wrist and hammerlocks, so Hogan retaliated by baiting in and taunting his foe. After a bit of stalling, the two locked up and Luger muscled Hogan into the corner, though Hogan eventually answered back with a shoulder block, so Luger fired up and hit one of his own. Aghast, Hogan stalled on the ring apron, argued with the referee, posed, and pranced around the ring to drag out the action before luring Luger in with a test of strength and beating and choking him in the corners. Though downed by a slam, Luger dodged the Atomic Leg Drop and hit a big slam of his own, forcing Hogan to tag in Rodman. Rodman took a page out of Hogan’s book and pranced around, backing away from Luger’s challenge and sticking close to his corner, much to the annoyance of the crowd. When the two finally locked up, Rodman took Luger down with an arm drag, which caused everyone to lose their minds, so Luger retaliated by hitting Rodman and Hogan with multiple arm drags. Stunned, Rodman and Hogan retreated outside to reconvene with Savage before Rodman staggered back into the ring, leapfrogged over Luger, and hit a shoulder block.

After much stalling and messing about, Luger scored the victory in this dull match.

Although Rodman impressed with two more leapfrogs, he got blasted by a Luger clothesline. When Hogan tagged in, Luger answered the crowd’s calls and brought in the Giant. Hogan gained the early advantage with some clubbing blows, choking and chopping the Giant in the corner, but retreating when the Giant shrugged off Hogan’s clothesline and threatened to Chokeslam him. When Hogan returned to the ring, he eventually got planted with an atomic drop and Rodman returned to the fray. Despite his fearless arrogance, Rodman got caught in a bearhug and hit with an atomic drop, but Hogan attacked when the Giant lifted Rodman with a chokehold. The nWo continued to make a joke of the Giant with double team moves and cheap shots and, when the Giant refused to drop after a big boot or be hip tossed, Hogan brought in Rodman but the Giant easily powered out of the cover even with both dogpiling him. Luger tagged in and went on a tear before being shut down by Rodman and dropped by Hogan. More shots and choking from Hogan left Luger powerless to avoid the Atomic Leg Drop, though he kicked out at two to no reaction! Rodman took over with some elbows and a foot choke in the corner, easily dodging Luger’s charge before being repeatedly knocked down by the Giant. After smashing Rodman and Hogan’s heads together, the Giant went to Chokeslam Rodman, only for Sting to whack him over the back with a baseball bat! However, Luger got Hogan up in the Torture Rack and secured the win, before slapping the hold on both Rodman and Savage. Although Rodman showed some impressive agility and held his own in the ring, there was way too much stalling in this match and I hated how the nWo dominated the Giant, who was continuously overwhelmed by the simplest of strikes. They seemed hesitant to kick into a higher gear since Hogan’s repertoire is so limited and Rodman obviously isn’t a competitor, resulting in a plodding and frustrating affair with an anti-climactic finish.

The Aftermath:
If you’re wondering why Sting, who was touted as WCW’s saviour from the nWo at the time, attacked the Giant and tried to cost the WCW team the match, it turned out that it was actually Kevin Nash in disguise. Luger’s victory made him the number one contender for the WCW Championship but, while the match was scheduled to take place at Road Wild the next month, Luger famously challenged Hogan one week early on WCW Monday Nitro. Although Luger scored the victory and became the champion, he lost the belt back to Hogan at Road Wild and Hogan remained champion until the controversial 1997 Starrcade. Luger moved on to feud with Scott Hall, Buff Bagwell, and “Big Poppa Pump” Scott Steiner before joining the nWo Wolfpac in 1998. He never became WCW Champion again, similar to the Giant, who rejoined the original nWo to feud with “Big Sexy” Kevin Nash before ultimately leaving WCW for the WWF in 1999. This wouldn’t be the last time we saw Dennis Rodman in a wrestling ring, either, as the Worm dressed as Sting to cost Luger the belt at Road Wild and teamed with Hogan again at the following year’s Bash at the Beach to take on Diamond Dallas Page and Rodman’s basketball rival Karl Malone before losing to Randy Savage at the 1999 Road Wild event.

My Rating:

Rating: 2 out of 5.

Could Be Better

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Wrestling Recap: Jeff Jarrett vs. Booker T (Bash at the Beach ’00)

The Date: 9 July 2000
The Venue:  Ocean Center; Daytona Beach, Florida
The Commentary: Tony Schiavone, Scott Hudson, and Mark Madden
The Referee: Billy Silverman
The Stakes: Main event match for the WCW World Heavyweight Championship

The Build-Up:
On 4 September 1995, World Championship Wrestling (WCW) changed the face of the wrestling industry with the debut of WCW Monday Nitro, a weekly broadcast that kicked off the “Monday Night Wars” by directly competing with the World Wrestling Federation’s (WWF) Raw is War. Over eighty-four weeks, WCW dominated this ratings war thanks to signing wrestling’s biggest names to lucrative contracts and the incredible success of the New World Order (nWo). Unfortunately, this boom period wasn’t to last; the nWo soon outlived its welcome and the WWF’s dramatic change of attitude saw them outpace and ultimately dethrone WCW before long. In desperation, WCW turned to controversial wrestling writer and figurehead Vince Russo, who spearheaded a bold new direction for the company that focused on dramatic swerves, blurring the lines between what was “real” and “fake”, and pushing his favourite talents at the expense of WCW’s established stars. This earned him the ire not just of thousands of wrestling fans for years to come thanks to his wacky match concepts and inconsistent storytelling, but also famed wrestling icon “Hollywood” Hulk Hogan, who infamously clashed with Russo over the direction of this pay-per-view event and their dramatic on-air grievances overshadow what little intriguing in-ring action remained in the dying WCW.

The Match:
To say that WCW, and the state of their World Championship scene, was in chaos during the year 2000 would be an understatement. WCW had tried everything, from an ill-fated rebranding, to stripping all their championships, reviving the nWo and trying to push young stars, to regain their foothold in the ratings but a slew of departures and backstage politics and drama meant that the company was haemorrhaging money and effectively on life support at this point. For me, the two biggest indicators of this were the increased, obnoxious onscreen presence of the divisive Vince Russo and the unlikely appointment of perennial mid-carder “The Chosen One” Jeff Jarrett not just to the main event, but into the role of WCW World Heavyweight Champion. WCW’s desire to blur the lines between fantasy and reality backfired big-time at this event, which saw Russo, Hogan, and the commentary team make numerous scathing insider references to the backstage politics, Hogan’s lucrative contract, and the state of the company, and this all came to a head earlier in the pay-per-view when “the biggest stars in the universe”, WCW Champion Jeff Jarrett and “Hollywood” Hulk Hogan met for a championship contest. Rather than actually fighting for the company’s richest prize, Hogan was left incensed when Russo simply tossed him the belt and ordered Jarrett to lay down for the Hulkster, who pinned the champion with one foot after going on a tirade about Russo’s “bullshit” influence. Russo later returned to the ring and fired back with his own “shoot” outburst, burying Hogan for holding down WCW’s rising stars, firing him onscreen, and announcing that Jarrett would defend the belt against Booker T in the main event. The commentary team begrudgingly lauded Russo’s declaration and spent most of the night, and this match, attacking the Hulkster for being a politician and a negative influence on guys like Booker T, Jarrett, and keeping WCW from moving forward with new blood.

With Hogan out in controversial fashion, Booker T finally got his shot at the belt.

Thus, with all that drama and confusing nonsense clouding the entire event, the company, and this match, Bash at the Beach concluded with reigning WCW Champion Jeff Jarrett facing Booker T, who had previously appeared on the event in a losing effort against “Positively” Chris Kanyon but was awarded this shot simply because of his work ethic. The commentary team spend a lot of time hyping up that Booker, despite being unprepared for the match, wasn’t going to turn down the opportunity and casting both guys as being the fresh blood WCW has needed for some time, which might be true about Booker, but I’ll never see any positives in pushing Jarrett to the top. Regardless, the match begins with the crowd firmly behind Booker and Jarrett reluctant to lockup with the fired-up challenger; indeed, while Jarrett wins the early exchange, Booker easily overpowers him and shoves him down to build anticipation. The two continued to exchange fundamentals, an odd choice for such a match and it’s almost as if the two weren’t sure what to do with each other. Despite eating a shoulder block, Booker showcased his speed and agility with a leapfrog and a dropkick that saw Jarrett take a powder to the outside to regroup. Back in the ring, Jarrett resorted to straight shots and slamming Booker’s head off the turnbuckle pad to build some momentum, but Booker shut him down with a big jumping side kick and took the fight to the barricade with a double axe handle off the ring apron. Booker and Jarrett wandered through the raucous crowd for a bit but didn’t really do anything before returning to the ringside area, where Jarrett smashed a steel chair over his spine and hit a super stiff looking piledriver on the announce table (which didn’t budge an inch), which the referee apparently was okay with despite this not being a no disqualification match.

After enduring Jarrett’s dull offense and underhanded tactics, Booker T finally captured the gold!

Back in the ring, Jarrett pressed his advantage with some stomps and punches and shut down Booker’s rally with a sleeper hold to really grind the match to a halt. Naturally, Booker fought out of it, feeding off the energy of the crowd, and returned the favour with a sleeper of his own. Jarrett escaped by attacking Booker’s leg for the first time with a single move, which was all the opportunity he needed to go for his patented Figure Four Leglock. However, Jarrett was almost pinned when Booker countered into a sudden roll up. Jarrett retaliated with the Figure Four, forcing Booker to again feed off the crowd’s support, turn the move in his favour, and reverse the pressure to force Jarrett to scramble out of the hold. Jarrett continued to target Booker’s leg afterwards, but Booker fired back with the Scissors Kick, celebrated with a Spinaroonie, and planted Jarrett with a spinebuster for a close two count. Jarrett wisely dodged another Harlem Sidekick, causing Booker to get hung up on the top rope, and then briefly took the referee out of the match by shoving Booker into him. Jarrett tried to take advantage with a belt shot but Booker ducked and decked Jarrett with the title belt, but the referee was a little too slow to make the three count and too dazed to notice when Jarrett hit Booker in the nuts. Although Booker avoided being rammed into the chair and drove Jarrett into it instead, the champion still kicked out of the follow-up pin attempt. Jarrett then snapped and attacked the referee, laying him out with the Stroke and kicking Booker in the dick for good measure. Jarrett grabbed his guitar and went to the top rope, but Booker caught him with the Book End and referee Mark Johnson hit the ring to make the three count and award Booker his first of what would eventually be five reigns with the WCW World Heavyweight Championship. A monumental moment for Booker, to be sure, and one he truly deserved, but this was a lethargic and cumbersome main event match. It really needed some energy, some underhanded tactics from Jarrett to keep the heat up, and a bit more life to it. The opening sequence where they traded lock-ups and takedowns should’ve been replaced with Booker going on a tear and forced Jarrett to resort to cheating to regain the momentum. Still, it’s a great moment for Booker T, it’s just a shame it came when WCW was spiralling the drain.

The Aftermath:
This wouldn’t be the end of Jeff Jarrett’s quest to be the top dog in WCW; he and Booker T squared off again at the following month’s pay-per-view, New Blood Rising, in a losing effort at an event apparently so bad that the crowd were openly calling for Russo’s firing. Although Booker T would lose the belt to “Big Sexy” Kevin Nash not long after New Blood Rising, he regained it by defeating Nash in a steel cage match at Fall Brawl by the end of the month, before trading the belt with Jarrett and, of all people, Vince Russo, and securing his fourth World Heavyweight Championship after feuding with “Big Poppa Pump” Scott Steiner in the last days of WCW. Of course, the real story coming out of Bash at the Beach 2000 was the fallout from the Hogan/Russo drama; Hogan would sue both Russo and WCW’s parent company, Turner/Time Warner, for defamation of character and never returned to the company, choosing to sit out his lucrative contract until he finally returned to the WWF in 2002.

My Rating:

Rating: 2 out of 5.

Could Be Better

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Wrestling Recap: The Outsiders vs. Sting, Savage, & Luger (Bash at the Beach ’96)

The Date: 7 July 1996
The Venue: Ocean Center; Daytona Beach, Florida
The Commentary: “The American Dream” Dusty Rhodes, Mike Tenay, Bobby “The Brain” Heenan, and Tony Schiavone
The Referee: Randy Anderson
The Stakes: Six-man tag team match to repel the Outsiders’ invasion

The Build-Up:
On 4 September 1995, World Championship Wrestling (WCW) changed the shape of the wrestling industry by airing the first episode of WCW Monday Nitro, a weekly broadcast that included the unexpected WCW debut of Lex Luger and kicked off the start of the “Monday Night Wars” as the show ran in direct competition to the World Wrestling Federation’s (WWF) Raw is War. Over the course of a staggering eighty-four weeks, WCW would dominate this ratings war thanks to signing a number of wrestling’s biggest names to lucrative contracts; two of the most prominent of these were Scott Hall (formerly WWF’s Razor Ramon) and Kevin Nash (formally Diesel), who regularly gatecrashed WCW programming to declare war on the organisation, assumedly as “Outsiders” sent explicitly by the WWF to disrupt WCW. Though this was later downplayed to avoid legal issues, the two constantly hassled WCW Executive Vice President Eric Bischoff and goaded him into forming a three-man team to face the duo and their mysterious “third man” at Bash at the Beach. A random drawing saw Sting, Lex Lugar and “Macho Man” Randy Savage chosen to oppose the Outsiders, but Hall and Nash refused to reveal the identity of their third man until the show; although Sting was initially said to be up for the big turn, the mystery man turned out to be the legendary Hulk Hogan, whose act was becoming a bit stale by that point. Hogan’s turn to the dark side legitimately shocked the wrestling world and reinvigorated his career; rechristened “Hollywood” Hogan, the once colourful wrestling hero led the New World Order (nWo) in hijacking WCW’s programming as the WCW World Heavyweight Champion, eventually leading to a year-long storyline where Sting underwent a complete character change to oppose Hogan in their infamous Starrcade match. While the nWo eventually outlived its welcome, there’s no denying the impact this match had on the wrestling industry; it made WCW must-see television and forced the WWF to undergo a dramatic change of attitude to outpace and ultimately dethrone their competition and it all started here with this iconic three-on-two tag team match.

The Match:
I find it interesting looking back at the Outsiders’ arrival in WCW; even Michael Buffer’s introduction hypes up how the duo threatens the sanctity, the very existence, of the company, which I find a little amusing. You’re seriously telling me that two men are really that much of a threat? Admittedly, I haven’t watched the weeks leading up to Bash at the Beach but it seemed all the two did was interfere in matches, attack a few wrestlers, and accost Bischoff while claiming to have a third man in their posse. These days, an invading team would be at least three men to start with, if not six to eight, and would constantly disrupt programming, attacking everyone and destroying the ringside area, but back then all it took was a former bodyguard-turned-disappointing World Champion and an upper mid-carder with a tragic drinking problem to threaten the stability of one of the biggest wrestling companies in the United States at the time. After weeks of speculation and anticipation bout the duo’s third man, Hall and Nash sauntered to the ring by themselves; even I, with little exposure to WCW or even the WWF back in my fledgling wrestling fan days, was aware of the nWo and Hulk Hogan’s turn to the dark side thanks to WCW’s Nintendo 64 videogames, which featured “Hollywood” Hogan and his black-and-white cohorts in prominent roles, but WCW were determined to drag the reveal out for maximum impact. Naturally, the commentary team were more than a little biased towards the WCW competitors and “Mean” Gene Okerlund was less than impressed at their lack of a partner; however, the duo was completely unfazed maintained their arrogance even in the face of the two-on-three disadvantage they would be in throughout the match.

With Luger taken out, the Outsiders worked over Sting’s ribs and cheated for an advantage.

Sting, Luger, and Savage came to the ring together, so united as a team that they even wore matching face paint, and things quickly got tense as Luger and Hall got into a slanging match all while the commentary team bickered distrustfully amongst themselves since the Outsiders had done such a good job of sowing dissension throughout WCW. Hall and Luger started the match; Hall disrespectfully tossed his toothpick in Luger’s face, earning him a good ol’ slap to the jaw and a forearm shot across the forehead despite beating on Luger in the early going. Luger was all fired up, even taking a cheap shot at Nash, but Sting was forced to save him from a Nash headlock with a Stinger Splash in the corner. Unfortunately, Luger bashed his head on the ring post, evening the odds as doctors stretchered him away. Regardless, Sting went after Hall in a flurry, bashing his head off the mat, planting him with an Inverted Atomic Drop and a facebuster, but Hall was able to counter Savage’s top-rope axehandle with a shot to the gut. Rather than tagging out, Hall goaded Sting, distracting the referee and allowing Nash to hit Savage with Snake Eyes, but he immediately recovered to clothesline Hall to the mat for the first near fall of the match. Hall tagged in Nash; Savage (accompanied by Rhodes’ shouts of “Who be bad now?!”) used his quickness at first but the big man shut him down with some slow shots and a big body slam. Thankfully, Savage avoided an elbow drop and tagged in Sting, but he immediately took a beating in the corner from some repeated elbow strikes before being choked by Nash’s long, unstable leg. Sting countered a whip into the opposite corner and floored Nash with a dropkick but couldn’t get him over for a sunset flip pin and ate a lifting choke for his troubles. Hall tagged back in, hitting his trademark Fallaway Slam for a two count, but Nash came back in for a Big Boot and starting working over Sting’s ribs. Sting was able to duck under a clothesline and hit a low dropkick to bring Nash to the mat, but Hall tagged in to cut off both his opponents before dropping a bunch of elbows before wrapping the Stinger up in the Abdominal Stretch (with an assist from Nash) to really milk the crowd. Even when Nash slipped in behind the referee’s back to take over the hold and continue to work over Sting’s ribs and Sting was able to break free, he was too hurt to make the tag and got cut off again by Hall, who scored a two count of a clothesline.

Savage’s comeback was cut short by Hogan’s shocking turn and the infamous formation of the nWo!

After a brief sleeper hold, Hall dumped Sting to the outside, where Savage threatened to attack Nash with a steel chair when the Outsider made a move towards Sting. Back in the ring, Sting continued to play “face-in-peril”, eating a big Sidewalk Slam from Nash but kicking out at two, who was so frustrated that he rammed Sting’s head into the corner. Sting finally started to mount a comeback with a bunch of punches and leapt at the big man with a standing crossbody to tag in Savage. The crowd erupted as the Macho Man took out Hall, smacked his head into Nash’s, and started pounding away on Nash, landing repeated top-rope axehandles on Hall. A shot to the balls shut down Savage’s assault, however, leaving all four men lying; the crowd erupted again as Hulk Hogan came to the ring, presumably to help his fellow WCW teammates out, but instead chose to Hogan hit the Atomic Leg Drop on the prone Savage, twice, before high-fiving Hall and Nash. Hogan tossed the referee from the ring, hit another Atomic Leg Drop on Savage and then pinned the Macho Man as Hall made the three count. The crowd wasn’t really sure how to react at first but, as the smirking trio celebrated, cups and other trash started to fill the ring; one enraged fan even tried to rush them, only to be rightfully beaten down as a result. In the aftermath, Okerlund demanded answers from Hogan, who cut a scathing tirade against WCW, its fans, and heralding the birth of the “New World Organisation”. Finally having had enough to the fans and the businessmen taking his fame and popularity for granted, Hogan vowed to tear WCW down and destroy everything in his path to dominate the industry, with the three men absolutely revelling in the crowd’s disgusted reaction. Honestly, the match wasn’t too much to shout about; it was a fairly standard tag team bout, with the bad guys cheating for an advantage and setting up Savage for a big hot tag, but the ending is what makes it truly memorable. Once Hogan came to the ring, I think you could probably guess that he was going to turn (Heenan screaming “Who’s side is he on?!” didn’t help…) so it might’ve been better if he’d come out alongside, say, Luger to cast a bit more doubt over him and the after match promo was a bit long-winded, but there’s no denying that this marked a significant turning point for all involved.

The Aftermath:
Of course, this event saw the birth of the nWo and Hogan’s transformation into the arrogant, embittered “Hollywood” Hogan. The nWo immediately reinforced their message over the next few weeks by brutally assaulting WCW wrestlers after their matches and backstage, before establishing their dominance when Hogan captured the WCW Championship from the Giant at the next pay-per-view event, Hog Wild. Soon enough, the nWo became the hottest thing not just in WCW but the wrestling world; audience tuned in every week to see what they’d get up to next, who would join the increasingly growing group, and bought their t-shirts and merchandise by the thousands. The nWo proved so popular that Bischoff proposed giving them their own television show, but this fell through and an nWo-centric pay-per-view proved less than successful. As established, during the nWo’s first year, their greatest threat loomed in the rafters as Sting bided his time before challenging Hogan, but Hogan’s revived career wouldn’t be so easily upended. Even as the nWo splintered into other factions and began to wind down, WCW continued to milk the group for all it’s worth; they were such a prominent faction that, when Hogan, Hall, and Nash finally returned to the WWF in 2002, they were brought in as the nWo for a short-lived and poorly-handled revival. Although the group was officially disbanded later in 2002, they continued to make sporadic appearances; generally represented as the original three, sometimes alongside their “sixth member”, X-Pac, the nWo bizarrely defended Sting during his WrestleMania match against Triple H and were inducted into the World Wrestling Entertainment (WWE) Hall of Fame in 2020.

My Rating:

Rating: 3 out of 5.

Pretty Good

What did you think to the clash between WCW’s defenders and the invading Outsiders? Were you excited by Hall and Nash’s shocking appearance in WCW at the time? Who did you think the third man was going to be? What was your reaction when it turned out to be Hulk Hogan? Were you a fan of the nWo and, if so, who were your favourite members of the super group? What are some of your favourite matches and moments from WCW’s Bash at the Beach pay-per-views? Whatever your thoughts on the nWo, Bash at the Beach, and WCW, feel free to voice them below.